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House Impeachment Inquiry Puts Brakes on White House Gun Control Talks

Thu, 09/26/2019 - 10:10
Yesterday, Cam Edwards of Bearingarms.com interviewed Alan Gottlieb of the Second Amendment Foundation.  Gottlieb talked discussed his thoughts on where congress may be headed.  At the beginning of the program, Cam mentioned that the White House has put the brakes on discussions related to gun control with the House of Representatives talk of impeachment.  You can hear Cam's report and the interview below.

White House Gun Control Infighting May be Family Affair

Tue, 09/24/2019 - 08:38
Politico had this article yesterday that White House infighting is holding up movement on gun control, and it isn't just infighting among political advisers, it appears to also involve family:
Competing factions inside the White House have stymied efforts to unite behind gun legislation, further delaying President Donald Trump from getting behind any plan.

On one side is Ivanka Trump, the president’s daughter and adviser, and Attorney General William Barr. Both are urging the president to back new firearms restrictions — including expanded background checks for gun sales — insisting he can be the leader who succeeds on an intractable issue that has bedeviled his predecessors and that he can win back moderate suburban voters in the process, according to people involved in the discussions.

On the other side, a group that includes Donald Trump Jr., the president’s son and an avid hunter, and a top aide to acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney, is telling Trump he risks losing support from his conservative base if he pushes too aggressively on new gun control legislation, they say.

Then there’s Trump, who has heard all of these arguments privately but publicly hasn’t committed to any plan. For weeks, he’s left Washington guessing on whether he’d support any gun control legislation and what form the legislation would take.After the story was original posted, the White House refuted the claim and said they were "united" in developing what the President wants, which is a solution that will make America safer while protecting Second Amendment rights.

It is important to continue to contact the White House and make your voice heard.  Politely tell the President that you oppose all of the gun control that is being proposed, including so-called "red flag" laws, so-called "universal background checks" that will criminalize the sale of private property, and banning standard capacity magazines and modern sporting rifles commonly referred to inaccurately as "assault weapons".

Hat tip to Cam Edwards.

Dave Kopel on the Precarious State of the Heller Decision

Mon, 09/23/2019 - 12:56
Earlier this month, Dave Kopel had this article at National Review.
The McDonald Court declared that the Second Amendment is not a “second-class right,” to be “singled out for special — and specially unfavorable — treatment.” In 2019, however, Heller is in a precarious situation: There have been numerous victories for gun rights, but many lower courts have in practice nullified the Second Amendment. Later this year, the Supreme Court may hear a case involving egregious Second Amendment infringements by the New York City government. The Court should take the opportunity not only to strike New York’s abuses, but also to firmly remind lower courts that the Second Amendment is a first-class civil right.Kopel goes on to detail what has occurred in the lower courts since Heller and McDonald and how the Supreme Court has refused to correct them, possibly because of uncertainty about what Justice Kennedy would do.  The New York case is the first to make it to the high court.  New York City has done everything they can to get the Court to dismiss the case but it is scheduled for oral arguments in December.  VSSA joined an amicus brief in the case earlier this spring.

It does us no good to have a court opinion that is not enforced.  Hopefully this will give us an indication of whether the Supreme Court will finally get serious about Heller, or if they are going to  continue to let lower courts thumb their noses at the justices.

Pressure Mounts on President Trump to "Do Something"

Thu, 09/12/2019 - 10:02
NBC News reported yesterday that the President is expected to make a decision this week on what gun control measures he will support.
"So we're looking at background checks and we are looking at putting everything together in a unified way so that we can have something that’s meaningful at the same time," the president said."So we're looking at background checks and we are looking at putting everything together in a unified way so that we can have something that’s meaningful at the same time," the president said.

Following a 40-minute call with Trump and his staff Wednesday, Sens. Pat Toomey, R-Pa., Chris Murphy, D-Conn., and Joe Manchin, D-W. Va., said they were told to expect something from the White House on Thursday, though the president had not specifically signaled what bills he was likely to support.

"It was a very engaging conversation for quite a period of time and everybody was able to have their back-and-forths on this and the president is still very encouraging," Manchin said. "I believe he sincerely wants to move forward and do something. We're going to know, hopefully by tomorrow, if there's something that we can all agree on, and once we agree on something we're going to hold to it and fight for it, so we'll see what happens."Then this morning the New York Times reported that 145 CEOs sent a letter to the Senate urging it to "pass stronger gun control laws."
The letter signers on Thursday include the leaders of Airbnb, the Gap, Pinterest, Lyft, the Brookfield Property Group and Royal Caribbean.

Missing from the list, however, are some of America’s biggest financial and technology companies, including Apple, Facebook, Google, JPMorgan Chase and Wells Fargo, some of which debated internally whether to sign the letter.

Two companies that signed may raise eyebrows in Washington: Thrive Capital, whose founder, Joshua Kushner, is the brother of Jared Kushner, President Trump’s son-in-law, and Bain Capital, the private equity firm co-founded by Senator Mitt Romney, Republican of Utah.The Times article mentioned Walmart's decision a week ago that it would stop selling handgun ammunition and "short barrel rifle" ammunition.  Tom Gresham revealed on his radio program last Sunday that Bloomberg's Every Town for Gun Safety was behind that move.  Walmart is a Charter Member of Bloomberg's "Responsible Firearms Retailer Partnership."  It is possible that this letter is a similar effort by Bloomberg's group.

This is all hands on deck time.  We need our voices to be louder than the gun ban crowd's voices.  Tell every gun owner you know to contact their congressman and senators, even if they know the legislator is anti-gun because then need to know their constituents don't support their position on the issue, and tell them you don't support criminalizing private sales and that you oppose stripping away our due process rights on unsubstantiated claims that can be made by an angry neighbor, ex-spouse or significant other.

GOP Congressional Leaders Look to President Trump for Signal on Gun Control

Wed, 09/11/2019 - 11:20
The Wall Street Journal has the story here.
Mr. Trump later met with GOP leaders at the White House for a conversation that included gun policies. A person with knowledge of internal deliberations described it as a robust conversation, adding that the lawmakers made clear to the president that he needed to signal what he supported, and the president indicated he understood.

Aides plan to brief Mr. Trump this week on his legislative and policy options on guns, said the person familiar with the conversations. The White House has received ideas and proposals from agencies, lawmakers and outside groups.

Topics that White House officials have discussed include improving background checks, removing guns temporarily from people considered dangerous—sometimes called red-flag laws—enhancing public-safety funding and subjecting mass shooters to expedited capital punishment.

White House officials have also said they are considering the use of the National Instant Criminal Background Check System to alert state law-enforcement officials when a person prohibited from purchasing a firearm tries to buy a gun.The most likely thing that would be considered by the Senate are changes in the background check requirements or some sort of Red Flag law, either the proposal that Lindsey Graham is pushing which would be a grant program to states to implement red flag laws.

Last night on Tucker Carlson's Fox News program, Dana Loesch laid out the problems with red flag laws.  She has been out front on the issue via her Twitter feed.

Watch the latest video at foxnews.com
Continue to contact your congressmen, senators, and the White House and politely tell them that you oppose all new restrictions on our right to keep and bear arms.

Dana Loesch Breaks Down the Problems with the WaPo/ABCNews Poll

Tue, 09/10/2019 - 13:38
Yesterday, I wrote about the WaPo/ABC News Poll and the finding that a majority of respondents fear a mass shooting in their community.  There was a lot more in that poll related to the attitude of the public when it came to various gun control proposals, some of which are floating around Capitol Hill and even here in Virginia.  Dana Loesch used Twitter and her radio program yesterday to point out some of the problems with that poll - namely the way the questions were asked.
It’s like the people crafting the questions weren’t familiar enough with current law to accurately conduct polling. BGCs are standard (unless you’re in antiquities or legal and still-regulated transfer, neither of which are part of income) and online buys MUST go thru FFL. pic.twitter.com/CtPvWvsUwk— Dana Loesch (@DLoesch) September 9, 2019 Townhall.com shares Dana's complete breakdown of the poll.  You can find it by clicking here.

WaPo/ABCNews Poll Shows Majority Fear Mass Shooting in Their Community

Mon, 09/09/2019 - 11:30
The Hill reports  today that a new Washington Post/ABC News poll shows that 60% percent of Americans said they are worried about a mass shooting in their own community.  There is a simple reason for this result, and it's not the spate of shootings that occurred over the summer.  No, it's because of the narrative pushed by the media that there is a mass shooting epidemic.  The fact is the opposite is true.
But Northeastern University criminologist James Alan Fox, the leading researcher on the topic for the past 35 years, tells Reason, "There is no evidence that we are in the midst of an epidemic of mass shootings." The number of incidents and casualties are simply too small to make such claims and, he stresses, the media coverage of shootings often ends up creating a false sense that gun violence—which is at or near historic lows—is ubiquitous and growing.Listen to the entire interview that can be found in the link above.

Guns Among Top Issues in This Year's Assembly Elections

Thu, 09/05/2019 - 08:43
Politico has a story mostly about how state Democrats are trying to replay their healthcare strategy that drove them to almost take control of the House of Delegates in 2017.  But further down the article you find this:
In Virginia, though, health care will compete for attention with other high-profile issues Democrats and outside groups will lean on heavily to drive turnout in an off-year election. That includes a push for stricter gun laws after 12 people were killed during an attack in Virginia Beach this May.

Rachel Bitecofer, a political scientist at Christopher Newport University, said guns and health care are the two biggest issues for voters in competitive districts Virginia Democrats are trying to flip in November.I will sound like a broken record between now and November but if the General Assembly flips control this year, Virginia's gun laws will look like California or New Jersey's overnight.  If you haven't already RSVPd for this year's VSSA Annual Meeting, you will want to do so.  This will be your opportunity to hear from VSSA's lobbyist about what we are up against.

Gun Owners Need to Tell President to Oppose Gun Control

Wed, 09/04/2019 - 12:35
The Hill is reporting that Senate Majority Leader McConnell has set an important condition for the Senate to take up gun control, Presidential support.
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) on Tuesday stressed that President Trump's support is the key to a gun reform bill getting a vote on the Senate floor in the wake of recent mass shootings.

McConnell, during an interview with radio host Hugh Hewitt, said the Trump administration “is in the process of studying what they're prepared to support, if anything.”
“I expect to get an answer to that next week,” McConnell said. “If the president is in favor of a number of things that he has discussed openly and publicly and I know that if we pass it, it will become law, I'll put it on the floor.”If you haven't already, contact the White House and politely urge the President to oppose all further restrictions on your gun rights.  Remind him that none of the proposals being discussed would have prevented any of the recent shootings.  Without Presidential support, the Senate will likely not take up the House passed gun control bills.

Brady Endorses Gun Ban Candidates in Virginia

Wed, 09/04/2019 - 10:31
The Brady Campaign has endorsed a list of candidates recently for the House of Delegates and the State Senate.

House of Delegates: Wendy Gooditis (House District 10), Sam Rasoul (House District 11), Chris Hurst (House District 12), Danica Roem (House District 13), Larry Barnett (House District 27), Joshua Cole (House District 28), Kathleen Murphy (House District 34), Eileen Filler-Corn (House District 41), Kathy Tran (House District 42), Alfonso Lopez (House District 49), Hala Ayala (House District 51), Marcus Simon (House District 53), Jeff Bourne (House District 71), Schuyler VanValkenburg (House District 72), Shelly Simonds (House District 94), and Phil Hernandez (House District 100)

State Senate: Mamie Locke (Senate District 2), Herb Jones (Senate District 3), Cheryl Turpin (Senate District 7), Missy Cotter Smasal (Senate District 8), Ghazala Hashmi (Senate District 10), Amanda Pohl (Senate District 11), Debra Rodman (Senate District 12), John Bell (Senate District 13), John Edwards (Senate District 21), Creigh Deeds (Senate District 25), Adam Ebbin (Senate District 30), Janet Howell (Senate District 32), Jennifer Boysko (Senate District 33), and Dave Marsden (Senate District 37)You will note that two formerly pro-rights candidates, John Edwards and Creigh Deeds on that list. 

If you live in the above districts, please get involved in the campaign of the pro-gun candidate in those districts (in most cases that will be the GOP opponent of the candidates listed above).  You can find a list of Senate races by district here, and a list of House races by district here

Also, if you live in either House District 40 where Delegate Tim Hugo is in a tough race against Brady endorsed Dan Helmer, or House District 66 where Speaker of the House Kirk Cox is in a tough race against Brady endorsed Sheila Bynum-Coleman, please get involved Hugo's and Cox's campaigns.

Hat tip John Richardson.

Mandatory Gun Buyback is a Silly Euphemism

Wed, 09/04/2019 - 09:24
That's the subheading for David Harsayni's most recent piece at The Federalist.  Since the mass shootings that have taken place since May, several Democratic candidates for President have called for "mandatory buybacks" of modern sporting rifles like the AR-15.  Robert Francis "Beto" O'rourke has been the most out front with this proposal.
“I want to be really clear that that’s exactly what we are going to do,” the 2020 Democratic presidential candidate said. “Americans who own AR-15s, AK-47s, will have to sell them to the government. We’re not going to allow them to stay on our streets, to show up in our communities, to be used against us in our synagogues, our churches, our mosques, our Walmarts, our public places.”Harsayni points out why this is simply confiscation by another name:
What Democrats propose can be more accurately described as “the first American gun confiscation effort since Lexington and Concord,” or some variation on that theme. Although tax dollars will be meted out in an effort to incentivize volunteers, the policy is to confiscate AR-15s, the vast majority of which have been legally purchased by Americans who have undergone background checks and never used a gun for a criminal purpose.

The “mandatory gun buyback” exemplifies the impracticality and absurdity of do-somethingism (although Biden’s proposal to ban “magazines that hold bullets”—so most guns—is also a contender!). Democrats are ready to instantaneously turn millions of otherwise law-abiding citizens into criminals overnight for refusing to adhere to a law that retroactively transformed the exercise of a constitutional right into criminality.He goes on to remind readers that in 2017, the most recent year for which we have data, there was a "near-historic" low of 7,032 murders committed with handguns, and 403 committed with “rifles” of any kind, not only “assault weapons,” and by comparison, there were 1,591 homicides committed with knives, 467 people killed with blunt objects, and another 696 with fists and kicking during the same time span.

A better way to deal with these criminal misuse of firearms is criminal control, not gun control. But control criminals is now what the gun ban lobby is all about, they are about taking away the rights of law-abiding gun owners.

Kurt Schlichter: Trump Is Unlikely To Commit Political Suicide by Betraying Us On Guns

Wed, 08/14/2019 - 15:10
Townhall.com Columnist Kurt Schlichter is not concerned that the President will stab gun owners in the back:
Donald Trump is a lot of things, but stupid is not one of them. Like all of us, he is understandably horrified by the murder sprees of that progressive environmental eugenics weirdo and that member of Big Chief Warren’s tribe.* But Trump is also keenly aware that any betrayal of his supporters on a literally life or death issue like guns – if you’ve been listening to the left you have a good idea what miserable fate awaits you if you get disarmed and they take power – will result in his wholesale abandonment by his supporters. No, his base probably won’t go vote for the furry, or Doxxy Castro’s brother, or Gaffe-y McOldenheimer. His base will just stay home. Trump will lose, the GOP will lose the Senate, and the left will take over. And bad things will happen to the liberal elite’s enemies, not least of all to Trump and his family.

Trump understands this. And he understands that the media is trying to get him to alienate his own supporters. But so far, he has never stuck us in the back even after the garbage media eagerly reports on his conciliatory talk on subjects near and dear to us in the hopes that it means a betrayal is incoming. It never has been in the past. There’s no reason to believe he would sell us out now.

We would not forgive him. To go left on guns would be, at a minimum, political suicide.Let's hope he's right.  But to make sure, be sure you contact the White House and let the President know where you stand.

NRA Stands Strong for Law Abiding Citizens

Wed, 08/14/2019 - 13:51
America's Gun Owners are under attack.  NRA's Wayne LaPierre speaks about what the NRA is doing to fight back.

House Democrats Keeping the Pressure on McConnell to Take Up Gun Ban Legislation

Wed, 08/14/2019 - 12:36
The Hill has the story here.
In a letter sent to McConnell on Wednesday, leaders of the House Democratic task force on gun-violence prevention requested an in-person meeting with the Kentucky Republican to discuss a pair of proposals designed to strengthen the background checks conducted prior to gun sales.The two proposals they are pusing are criminalizing private sales and one that would extend the time that the FBI has to screen prospective buyers. Currently, if a negative response is not received withing three days, the dealer may complete the sale.

Be sure to contact Senators Warner and Kaine.  Even though it is highly likely they will support any gun ban proposals that come before them, they still need to know you oppose further restrictions on our rights.

Public Comment at the Crime Commission on August 20.

Tue, 08/13/2019 - 12:52
From the Crime Commission web site:

Public Comment Sign Up Information:There will be a table in the hallway outside of the meeting room from 9:00 a.m. - 11:00 a.m. on August 20th to sign up in-person to speak during public comment. Sign up is on a first come, first serve basis. You will receive a number when you sign up. You MUST have a number if you want to speak during public comment. Numbers will be provided until 11:00 a.m. or until all available numbers have been distributed, whichever occurs sooner. Due to time limitations, there is no guarantee that everyone who receives a number will be able to speak at the meeting. The Chair may exercise his prerogative to alter the order.Comments are limited to 2 minutes per person. There will be a timer set to ensure adherence to this limit.Written Comments:  If you are unable to attend this meeting in-person, written comments are currently being accepted by the Crime Commission. Send written comments and any other information/materials relevant to this topic via email to comments@vscc.virginia.gov or via postal mail to our office (address is below). Please be advised that comments will be shared with members of the Crime Commission.Additional details regarding the deadline for submitting written comments will be announced following the August 20th Crime Commission meeting. 

Biden Says "Assault Weapons" Are Only for Killing People

Fri, 08/09/2019 - 13:23
Once again showing just how clueless he is, Joe Biden said yesterday that the only reason to own an AR-15 or AK-47 is to kill people.

That might surprise shooters like Cheyenne Dalton who is a young female competitive shooter that competes in 3-Gun.  Modern sporting rifles are used in 3-Gun.  He also apparently doesn't know about Natalie and Meredith Gibson of Iowa who also use the rifles in competition.

There are many uses for semi-automatic rifles.  Biden's comments just show that most people trying to restrict our rights have absolutely now clue about that which they wish to legislate.

Show President Trump that The NRA is 5 Million Individual Gun Owners, Not the Building in Fairfax

Fri, 08/09/2019 - 10:35
Bloomberg's anti-rights mouthpiece, The Trace, is using a Washington Post article posted yesterday afternoon to show that President Trump is gauging his support for gun control based on how far he thinks he can get away with without the NRA turning on him.  From the Trace:
Trump appears to be gauging whether he can get away with defying the NRA. More from the Post: "A White House official said Trump had asked some advisers and lawmakers this week about whether the NRA had enduring clout amid an internal leadership battle and allegations of improper spending" uncovered by The Trace and other journalists. The president and NRA leader Wayne LaPierre reportedly spoke several times by phone on Wednesday, with LaPierre warning that enacting universal background checks would not play well with Trump's base.That passage about the NRA's clout is in the Post article but this part of the Post article is important too:
Manchin said he told Trump that he would need to back any gun-control legislation or it would fail again. Those comments were mirrored by almost a dozen GOP and White House aides.

“If you don’t stand up and say, ‘This is a piece of legislation I support,’ we’re not going to get enough cover to have Republicans stand tall. They won’t be able to do it,” Manchin said.

On Tuesday, Trump outlined some NRA concerns in a second call with Manchin. “We talked about that,” Manchin said. “I told him, we don’t expect the NRA to be supportive. Mr. President, in all honesty, when you did the bump stocks, they weren’t for you. They were against that, too. You didn’t take any hit on that.”Gun owners need to show the White House that the NRA is made up of America's gun owners and we are the one that determine if he gets re-elected, not the staff in Fairfax HQ.  Contact the White House at:


Select "Contact the President" then complete the rest of the form.  In your message, politely let him know that you oppose any new restrictions on your right to keep and bear arms, especially so-called "Red Flag" laws and so-called "universal" background checks.  Let him know that an emotional response to "do something" is the wrong way to make policy and instead we should do what works, and that none of the gun control proposals being discussed would stop the mass shootings that have occurred recently and would likely not stop them in the future.

It is important that the President knows that gun owners put him in office and without our support, he will not be re-elected.

Please contact the President today!

Bloomberg's Everytown to Spend $2.5 Million in Virginia Elections

Fri, 08/09/2019 - 09:02
If you weren't already convinced that gun owners are in the fight of our lives, this New York Times article should convince you.

The Everytown for Gun Safety Action Fund, the political arm of Mr. Bloomberg’s gun control organization, said this week that it would invest at least $2.5 million in Virginia before Election Day — more than it spent in either of the last two legislative elections there. The group polled 14 legislative districts this week to determine how it will allocate its funds.  
“Virginia is a bellwether state and we are going to be there,” said John Feinblatt, Everytown’s president. “There is no doubt this is a test. This is the next theater for what’s going to happen everywhere in 2020.”
That isn't the worst of it though.  The story starts off by talking about a Democrat candidate, a veteran of the war in Afghanistan running against pro-gun GOP Delegate Tim Hugo.  He told the Times that what he hears from people as he goes door to door is they want somebody to "do something" about the mass shootings.  The propensity for people to want "something done" no matter whether it would have prevented the killings, says a lot about our society today. And it is this type of action that is being pushed by the media and the gun ban lobby.  It has gotten so bad that the up to now stalwart Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell suggested yesterday that the Senate could look at a so-called "assault weapons" ban, background checks, and a red flag law.  As Gun Talk Radio host Tom Gresham said in a Twitter post, that would turn the Senate and the White House over to the gun ban lobby as gun owners turn their backs on Republicans and President Trump.

This would be suicide for the Republican party. Trump would lose. Dems would gain control of both houses. Gun owners would turn their backs on those who voted for a ban on the most popular rifles in America. If this included confiscation, there would be widespread noncompliance https://t.co/gqFIGGBmtf— Tom Gresham (@Guntalk) August 9, 2019

There is not a single one of the gun ban lobby's agenda that would have stopped last weekend's shootings.  Rifles of all kinds make up a very small percentage (less than 3%) of firearm related deaths.  So-called assault weapons make up even less.  More people are stabbed to death every year than are murdered with rifles.

We are in a real fight this year.  We need to get active in House and Senate General Assembly campaigns now. 

Limited Edition Bumpsticker from VSSA

Thu, 08/08/2019 - 14:56
VSSA now has a limited edition bumpersticker that you can put on your car or truck.

As gun owners are being attacked like never before, show why you own firearms.  You can get one for $3.00 or four for $10.00 cost includes postage and handling.  Simply send a check payable to VSSA and mail to Virginia Shooting Sports Association, ATTN: VSSA Bumpersticker, PO Box 1258, Orange, VA 22960.  Get them while they last.

Crime Commission Will Accept Public Comment August 20.

Thu, 08/08/2019 - 13:52
VSSA has been informed that there will be a public comment portion as part of it's review that was referred to the Crime Commission during the Special Session.

Crime Commission members have devoted a portion of the Tuesday, August 20th meeting to allow designated representatives of organizations and interest groups to provide public comment. VSSA has signed up to speak.

Public comment will begin at approximately 1:30 p.m.

The meeting will begin at Noon in the House Committee Room of the Pocahontas Building. The building opens to the public at 9:00 a.m. and the meeting room opens at 11:00 a.m.

Each organization or interest group will have 4 minutes to provide public comment on behalf of the organization or interest group. Members of VSSA may stand and be recognized at the conclusion of VSSA's comments.

Following public comment by organizations and interest groups, there will be a separate portion of the August 20th meeting devoted to hearing comments from members of the general public. The sign up procedures for members of the general public will be announced separately.  VSSA will pass those along when we have them. 

Please plan to attend the meeting if possible.  We need as many gun owners as possible to pack the room.  You can bet the other side will do the same.

Meeting room rules:

Possession or use of any device that may disrupt the conduct of business is prohibited, including but not limited to: voice-amplification equipment; bullhorns; blow horns; sirens, or other noise-producing devices; as well as signs on sticks, poles or stakes; or helium-filled balloons. 

Campaign signs, banners, posters and other materials advocating the election or defeat of any candidate for public office may NOT be displayed at any time in any public space in the Capitol or Pocahontas Building. In addition, signs may not be displayed in a manner that blocks the view of others, encroaches on aisles, or impedes the safe movement of visitors. The Capitol Police have final authority in any issue related to public safety in the Capitol complex. 

Unruly behavior, such as booing, yelling, or harassing remarks, is prohibited. The Chair of the Crime Commission has the authority to remove individuals from the room or to clear the room.

The capacity of the meeting room is 180. You are not guaranteed re-entry into the meeting room if you exit the room at any time for any reason.