Fact Checking Politifact on Clinton's Statement Supporting Australian Gun Confiscation as Model for US
In the final rating of "Mostly False" the author, Warren Fiske, said Clinton was simply talking about "voluntary buyback programs" and not confiscation:
Clinton made that statement last year at a New Hampshire campaign stop, when she was asked a vague question about an Australian program that gave gun owners one year to sell certain firearms to the government before those weapons became illegal. She left the NRA some room.
But the NRA stretches her words to an almost unrecognizable form. Clinton focused her comments on voluntary buyback programs similar to those some U.S. communities have instituted for guns and the federal "cash-for-clunkers" program.Fiske however misses some key facts, like, the Australian "buyback" wasn't voluntary, it was mandatory, as the NRA was quick to point out:
Even an ad for the supposedly voluntary "Australian example" calls it...a ban. And @HillaryClinton says it's "worth looking at"@PolitiFact pic.twitter.com/zKu0xc13lB— NRA (@NRA) October 17, 2016.@Politifact thinks the "Australian example," which promised "severe penalties" like a 12 month prison sentence was...voluntary? pic.twitter.com/LnDDNHrfNt— NRA (@NRA) October 17, 2016The Washington Examiner's Ashe Schow did the work that Fiske apparently did not have time to do:
And that "Australian example" was an example of gun confiscation. It was not a voluntary program. Historian Varad Mehta wrote about the Australian program last year for the Federalist, breaking down exactly what it entailed.
"Australia outlawed semi-automatic rifles, certain categories of shotgun, and implemented strict licensing and registration requirements," Mehta wrote. "The cornerstone of its new gun-control scheme, however, was a massive gun buyback program. The Australian government purchased 650,000 to one million guns with funds raised via a special tax."Not withstanding the long list of sources Fiske lists that he used to reach his conclusion, it is very clear to anyone interested in knowing the facts that the NRA in no way "stretched" Clinton's words in an "unrecognizable form" and if given the chance, she would do everything she can to make it much harder for Americans to own firearms.
Steve Weast and Mike Jamison took all of the prizes in the Master class. Mike won the first stage with as score of 198.06. Then Steve got going, and won every match after that with scores of 197.07, 192.05, and a 1st day aggregate score of 585.18. Steve continued his dominance on day two with 1st place scores of 188.03, 193.04, 191.09, and a second day aggregate of 572.16 for 1st. Great shooting, Steve.
On Monday the office received a call from a member who indicated they were going to vote for Hillary Clinton, misguided to say the least. It has taken millions of dollars, an enormous amount of time, massive efforts by organizations like the ISRA, NRA and SAF as well as personal sacrifices by people like Dick Heller, Otis McDonald and others to bring the Second Amendment back to its real meaning. If Hillary Clinton is elected President, Heller v DC, which is the cornerstone of the Second Amendment movement, will be reversed. McDonald v City of Chicago will be overturned, as well as many other cases and will fall by the wayside and turned into the dust of history. Moreover, there are other important cases waiting like Peruta v County of San Diego, which seeks to destroy concealed carry. In this case, the County of San Diego insists there is no right to carry concealed in the Second Amendment and that a person must prove his or her life is in danger before being issued a permit. The 9th Circuit upheld the County's position by a margin of 7-4. Before you say that it's "just California", Hillary's court will make that the law of the land.VSSA members helped pay for the victories in Heller and McDonald. You contributed to a special appeal that allowed VSSA to be a party to the State Association amicus briefs, so you have a special stake in making sure those decision are not rendered worthless. Gun owners need to understand that if those decisions are reversed, we won't go back to the way things were before Heller, as former NRA President David Keene reiterated during his appearance on this past Sunday's Armed American Radio (at about the 43:25 minute mark of the first hour) program and in his new book, Shall Not Be Infringed the New Assaults on Your Second Amendment. Hillary Clinton wants the 2nd Amendment reinterpreted so it doesn't mean anything, which as Keene told AAR host Mark Walters, "is the moral equivalent of abolishing it."
Last week, Keene spoke at the Heritage Foundation and discussed the book.
Last week, Keene spoke at the Heritage Foundation and discussed the book.
Mark Twain (among others), is noted for a saying he attributed to the British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli: "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." This comes to mind when you look at the study and its list of states on page 21 and find that Illinois is listed among the ten states with the lowest rate of firearm related deaths (it actually has the lowest according to the study). Chicago is in Illinois and it already has almost 600 murders committed with a firearm, and there is still a little over two months left in the year. Chicago has some of the strictest firearms laws in the nation even after Heller and McDonald and it hasn't stopped criminals from getting a firearm. Maybe rather than look at Illinois as a whole, they should look at areas within those states and see what the murder rate is in Chicago and a comparable city in a pro-rights state, then make a comparison.
If the NRA paid for or did a similar study to prove states with few restrictions on firearms ownership are safer than states with many restrictions, the New York Times would say it is just propaganda funded by the "gun lobby" (actually, the gun ban lobby already does that with studies conducted by people like John Lott). But the Times treats this study as gospel and uses it to promote ballot initiatives in California, Nevada, Washington and Maine.
"I respect the Second Amendment, but I believe that there should be comprehensive background checks," the Democratic nominee said Sunday, "and we should close the gun show loophole and close the online loophole we have to save as many lives as we possibly can."
Clinton's remarks were a response to the specific question: "What would you prioritize as the most important aspect of selecting a Supreme Court justice?"
She said she believes the current court has "gone in wrong direction." Though the issue of gun control was mentioned only briefly Sunday evening during the debate, it has been an ongoing theme of the Clinton campaign.Clinton has used both debates to stress the importance of more gun control. Last debate she tied gun control to better "race relations." That's interesting given it was a black man, Otis McDonald, that fought for the right for residents of Chicago to be able to own firearms for self defense. But that is likely one of the cases Clinton was referring to when she said the Court has "gone the wrong direction."
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To say that Ginny Thrasher is a shooting phenom is an understatement. She originally took up the sport five years ago after a hunting trip with her grandfather. Two years later, she was the 45th best junior shooter in the country and was destined for success.Thasher wants more people to take up the sport and had some great advice for new shooters:
Additionally, Ginny wants to spread the word about rifle competition, saying, “One of the best parts about rifle is natural ability does not hold you back. Whether you’re a male, female, 5'1" or 6'1", it doesn’t matter. Rifle is a sport where you very much get out of it what you put into it, and that’s the message I would like to get across.”It's worth the short time it takes to read the entire article.
Dennis R. Pratte, who opened Nova Armory in March under the business name of Broadstone Security, said he sold the business Aug. 19 to Shawn Poulin, the store’s manager, who continues to operate it.
Poulin, in an interview at the store Saturday, said that the business is “in the black” and that he plans to expand to the second floor, with a showroom to feature rifles, tactical gear and an expanded clothing line. The former Marine said he’s the majority owner of the store. He said his partner is a Fairfax County company that makes amphibious patrol boats, but he would not name the firm. Pratte was harassed by malcontents in the neighborhood and the General Assembly when he originally opened the store.
The idea is to prohibit loaded weapons, including semi-automatic guns that hold 20 rounds or more. Currently a handful of Virginia localities have the ban including Alexandria, Chesapeake, Fairfax, Richmond and several counties in Northern Virginia. Soon Roanoke could join that list.Update: The Council made no decision and one member had strong objections to the proposal:
The council made no decision on including the idea. A majority seemed to favor it, but with strong objections from Councilman Ray Ferris, who argued it will never pass and will only stir up debate on the issue and divide the city.
The idea was sparked by a local gun control group called the Blue Ridge Coalition Against Gun Violence, apparently in response to “open carry” demonstrations near the Berglund Center in recent months.
This type of behavior raises all kinds of troubling questions about the underlying data, as well as the motives of the researchers who put it together. If peer review is incomplete, why on earth are the study’s conclusions already being released? And if these reviewers are widely respected experts in the field, why must they remain anonymous, even as the study’s conclusions are being broadcast to the world? And finally, on what planet does it take more than a year to review the results of a simple poll?
None of the likely answers reflects well on the people who put this study together, because this is not how scientists conduct themselves. This is how political actors conduct themselves. This is how people with political motives and political objectives conduct themselves.Ask any gun shop owner or firearms instructor and you will hear about all of the first time gun owners coming in to their stores or seeking firearms training. This study is just one more piece of propaganda intended to add to the narrative that the number of gun owners in American continue to decrease and that a relative few are holding the rest of the country hostage when it comes to passing "commonsense" gun laws.
Update: Dr. John Lott has more:
— But there is a general problem with survey data. Hard data, such a the number of permits that are required before someone can own a gun in some states such as Illinois, show a dramatic increase in gun ownership at the same time that these surveys for those states are showing a drop in gun ownership. The likely reason that all these surveys on gun ownership are biased against showing an increase is because gun owners have been relatively less willing over time to tell pollsters that they own guns.
This hard data indicates such a large increase in gun owners relative to the polls that it makes it mathematically impossible for the claim to be true that gun sales are being driven by a small group of gun owners.
Before the attendees left for the evening, a young member drew the names for this year's raffle. The winners were as follows:
1st Prize: Smith & Wesson M&P9 with Green Laser
Elwood F. Harrison
2nd Prize: Special Edition Henry Boy Lever Action .22 (#10 of 10)
Louis E. Seigel
3rd Prize: $100 Cabela's Gift Card
Newport News, VA
A special Thank You to both of our speakers for taking time out of their busy schedules to speak at this year's meeting. As Executive Director Lu Charette said, while giving all due respect to all of our previous speakers, this year's speakers were the most informative since then Attorney General Jim Gilmore spoke before he went on to win the 2007 gubernatorial election.
The event is limited to 100 participants.
The "news report" comes complete with quotes from people who supposedly work for USFWS and ATF. Because of the current administration's propensity for executive fiat, it is not hard to believe they would institute such a regulation, but it's just not true. Any proposed regulation has to be publicly announced and a public comment period has to be made available. While the story claims such a comment period took place, you can believe that if it really had, pro-gun and pro-hunting groups would have jumped all over it. In this era of social media and emails urging recipients to forward to their friends, it pays to do a quick search on things that sound too real to be true.
A memo from minority leader Nancy Pelosi’s office calling for a “gun violence prevention day of action” today includes a long itinerary of scripted actions to be taken by Democrat representatives under orders from the 76-year-old gun control zealot. The actions called for are tightly controlled, right down the the tweets the powerful California Democrat wants the staff of representatives to use on social media on her orders.
Characteristically, the tweets scheduled to begin at a 12:30 PM ET “tweetstorm” are factually inaccurate.The tweets referred too include rants with inflated numbers of "mass shootings" that have supposedly taken place during the summer, tweets about the so-called "gun show loophole" and more of the same tired rhetoric of the gun ban lobby. Expect this stunt to do as much to advance gun control as the Twitter hashtag campaign by the White House did to release the young girls kidnapped by the terrorist group Boko Haram two years ago.
VSSA previously announced that this year's featured guest will be Delegate Michael Webert, the sponsor of the House bill reversing the AG's December concealed carry reciprocity actions. Having Senator Reeves, who is also a VSSA member, join us will give our members special insight into what went into the final agreement to overturn the AG's actions as the two people most responsible for this legislative victory will speak. Delegate Webert and Senator Reeves worked together to craft the agreement. Earlier this year, Senator Reeves' effort on behalf of Virginia's gun owners was recognized by the NRA when they awarded him the 2016 Defender of Freedom Award at this year's NRA Annual Meetings and Exhibits.
The 2016 VSSA Annual Meeting begins at 12:00 Noon, Saturday September 17, and will take place at the Arlington Fairfax IWLA. The event includes an afternoon of shooting followed by dinner at 6:00 PM and the Meeting of Members at 7:00 PM.
Where:Martin's Food Market Parking Lot10250 Staples Mill Rd #6433Glen Allen, VA 23228
When:Saturday, September 24th10AM-3PM If you would like to join Second Amendment advocates and volunteer on this National Day of Action, or are interested in any other volunteer opportunities, please contact Joseph Vrechek, Campaign Field Representative - Richmond, NRA-ILA, at [email protected] or (817) 729-8365. I hope to see you there!